New Documentary on YouTube About Derek Chauvin and George Floyd

Publish date: 2024-04-30

THE FALL OF MINNEAPOLIS

1) For two months after George Floyd’s death, they withheld the police body cam footage that showed everything that happened during the arrest. If they had released it immediately, it may have prevented riots.

2) The initial autopsy showed George Floyd died from multiple factors: a lethal combination of meth and fentanyl, plus pre-existing hypertension, plus exertion from encounter with police. No signs of asphyxiation.

3) Due to miscommunication, there was a delay in the ambulance arriving. Had the ambulance arrived sooner, they could have saved George Floyd.

4) The police chief LIED and said the Maximal Restraint Technique that Derek Chauvin used on Floyd was not part of police training.

A bunch of evidence was withheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubt.

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by Anonymousreply 83December 23, 2023 5:37 PM

Derek Chauvin is a garbage person but he was politically convicted of this crime.

by Anonymousreply 1November 26, 2023 5:31 AM

R1, no, he wasn't

He did it on camera, we all saw it

This documentary is biased, right-wing crap

by Anonymousreply 2November 26, 2023 5:35 AM

You are free to have that opinion and the jury agreed.

by Anonymousreply 3November 26, 2023 5:39 AM

He's hot. I want to stab him with my dick.

by Anonymousreply 4November 26, 2023 7:09 AM

R3, yes, and evidence was withheld from the jury. It was a kangaroo court.

by Anonymousreply 5November 26, 2023 9:34 AM

R2, why don’t you address the substance of the claims instead of making ad hominem arguments?

Just because it was on camera doesn’t mean it was the proximate cause of death.

Even if it was, mens rea matters. If he was simply following his training, then it’s not murder. It might not even be negligence.

by Anonymousreply 6November 26, 2023 9:38 AM

I’m representing a client in a police brutality/wrongful incarceration case. He’s white (police brutalize white people too).

Today, he was telling me about how the cop had his knee on his neck. Thinking about Derek Chauvin and George Floyd, I asked him, “Could you still breathe?” And he said yes, he could still breathe.

All the more reason for me to believe that Derek Chauvin got wrongfully blamed for causing George Floyd’s death (George Floyd’s complaint about not being able to breathe started when he was still standing).

It was an election year, the media was desperate to get rid of Trump, they needed something to start a riot, and they used Derek Chauvin as a patsy.

by Anonymousreply 7December 13, 2023 6:04 AM

It's not about blacks vs white ppl. It's poor ppl

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by Anonymousreply 8December 13, 2023 6:09 AM

Plus, r7 the riots immediately followed months of Covid which shuttered the country, cooped everyone up, laid people off, closed schools, shell-shocked by deaths, & isolated. People were already batshit.

by Anonymousreply 9December 13, 2023 6:13 AM

It's a fantastic documentary.

I hope more people will watch it.

by Anonymousreply 10December 13, 2023 6:14 AM

R9 points out an important element.

People took out their frustrations about the pandemic on this story, and a chance to re-establish some sort of community and "force for good."

They were cooped up at home, and it gave them an excuse to get out of the house. I live in Manhattan and watched the marches go by my window. There were almost as many white parents pushing strollers as there were black demonstrators.

If this had happened during normal times, when people had jobs to be distracted by, it wouldn't have been such a flashpoint. An entire movement wouldn't have sprung up around a drug-addicted guy who made a porn movie.

by Anonymousreply 11December 13, 2023 6:57 AM

[quote] I hope more people will watch it.

No one who is not already indoctrinated into the right-wing reactionary cult of Trump is gonna watch that bullshit propaganda.

Chauvin ruthlessly and recklessly killed George Floyd with depraved malice and the world saw it. Whether his actions were the exact cause of Floyd's death is not really pertinent. He should be punished for his brazen, barbaric inhumanity under the shield of a police badge and while siphoning taxpayer dollars to terrorize the community he had sworn to serve. He has cost Minnesota exponentially more money than his life is worth.

by Anonymousreply 12December 13, 2023 7:12 AM

[quote]Whether his actions were the exact cause of Floyd's death is not really pertinent

Under criminal law, if the evidence conclusively establishes someone's actions didn’t CAUSE a death, then they shouldn’t be convicted of murder r12.

by Anonymousreply 13December 13, 2023 7:30 AM

"Whether his actions were the exact cause of Floyd's death" IS THE PERTINENT POINT.

by Anonymousreply 14December 13, 2023 7:34 AM

[quote] Under criminal law, if the evidence conclusively establishes someone's actions didn’t CAUSE a death, then they shouldn’t be convicted of murder [R12].

A jury convicted him of murder. They were sufficiently persuaded of his guilt. Evidence doesn't always win the day in the American criminal justice system.

Floyd would not have died that day but for Chauvin -- and there are probably legitimately innocent people in prison thanks to Chauvin and losers like him. Cry for them.

by Anonymousreply 15December 13, 2023 7:42 AM

R15, there’s too much reasonable doubt. Exculpatory evidence was excluded from the court.

The coroner, Andrew Baker, was a coward and was worried about his career being destroyed. Under the sworn deposition testimony of Amy Sweasy, she said that Baker told her, “What happens when the facts don’t match the media narrative? This is how careers get ruined.” He was under a lot of pressure to change his report.

by Anonymousreply 16December 13, 2023 8:24 AM

Also, for what it’s worth, the family’s expert witness, Michael Baden, is the same expert witness who was hired by OJ’s defense and helped acquit OJ. So take what he says with a grain of salt.

by Anonymousreply 17December 13, 2023 8:28 AM

R6 You're full of shit. They don't train them to KNEEL on someone's neck with half their body weight while they're laying on asphalt and screaming "I can't breathe" and asking for their mother. Now, I'm not a doctor, but I think it's safe to assume that if I kneeled on your neck for 10 minutes, in the heat, on asphalt, it would be very unhealthy for you. It could also exacerbate an unhealthy situation that you're already in.

The thing is...as a police officer--or a civilian--I shouldn't be KNEELING ON YOUR NECK. with half my body weight and IGNORING your pleas for air because you may choke. Whatever shape Floyd was in Chauvin's ACTIONS precipitated his death. PERIOD.

I agree that it wasn't murder BUT it was def manslaughter. I hate the way he was so smug while it was happening.

by Anonymousreply 18December 13, 2023 12:39 PM

This isn’t even a documentary. It’s biased propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 19December 13, 2023 12:44 PM

[quote] Under criminal law, if the evidence conclusively establishes someone's actions didn’t CAUSE a death, then they shouldn’t be convicted of murder [R12].

This is something that a person with an 11th grade education would say.

by Anonymousreply 20December 13, 2023 12:46 PM

[quote]Just because it was on camera doesn’t mean it was the proximate cause of death.

Are you FUCKING KIDDING R6????

by Anonymousreply 21December 13, 2023 12:59 PM

R18, they actually do. It’s in the training manual. And a suspect saying “I can’t breathe” or “I’m having a heart attack” is not an uncommon scenario, it’s basically the “crying wolf” of suspects as they get arrested.

And as my client was telling me yesterday, when he was in the same situation as George Floyd (a cop kneeling on his neck), HE COULD STILL BREATHE.

by Anonymousreply 22December 13, 2023 1:30 PM

This documentary is made by white supremacists for white supremacists. Enjoy it, KKgays!

by Anonymousreply 24December 13, 2023 2:17 PM

[quote] [R15], there’s too much reasonable doubt. Exculpatory evidence was excluded from the court.

The video left absolutely no room for reasonable doubt. The trauma Chauvin inflicted on Floyd was his cause of death. The terror and pain caused by Chauvin is the cause of death.

Period.

by Anonymousreply 25December 13, 2023 5:27 PM

[quote] I agree that it wasn't murder BUT it was def manslaughter. I hate the way he was so smug while it was happening.

I believe it was murder. Chauvin intended to inflict grievous bodily injury on Floyd without regard to whether it would be fatal. I think he intended to do it while glaring defiantly at the bystanders and the cameras because he felt entitled to do it and protected from consequence.

I do not think he intended to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. That part was definitely unpremeditated.

by Anonymousreply 26December 13, 2023 5:34 PM

I think Floyd would have died that day regardless of his encounter with the cops. They found him slumped over the wheel incoherent. And he and his buddy had picked-up some ho in the store to go party some more with (threesome?).

Chauvin's knee was the straw that broke the camel's back. And the media tapped into racial paranoia, insinuating Chauvin woke-up that day looking for a Negro to kill.

by Anonymousreply 27December 13, 2023 5:45 PM

R25 — The video was false, misleading optics as to the cause. The video was an illusion — something that is not what it appears to be.

Police cam footage shows that George Floyd complained about not being able to breathe while he was still standing. Obviously, his breathing problems had another cause.

The coroner Andrew Baker found no signs of strangulation or asphyxiation.

Andrew Baker mentioned to the prosecutor Amy Sweasy that the facts did not match the media narrative and he expressed being worried about careers being killed.

Andrew Baker received lots of phone calls, including threats, following his initial report.

The FBI got involved.

They didn’t care about the possibility that the cause of death was being wrongfully attributed to the knee on the neck, they needed to convict Derek Chauvin to satisfy the masses who had already made up their minds from what they saw.

by Anonymousreply 28December 13, 2023 11:32 PM

R23, Kyle Rittenhouse would have been convicted of the victims were black.

by Anonymousreply 29December 13, 2023 11:33 PM

R28 - you sound exactly like Alex Jones talking about Sandy Hook with a good dose of QAnon conspiracy theories thrown in.

by Anonymousreply 30December 14, 2023 12:36 AM

R12, you don't know what you're talking about. I guess you enjoy being a fool instead of learning the truth. Chauvin did not have his knee on GF's neck, it was on his shoulder. GF did not die of asphyxiation, there was no trauma to his upper respiratory tract. GF was resisting arrest for quite awhile. EMS was called practically immediately, mainly because his behavior was so erratic. GF, by any measure was a useless piece of shit, a drug abuser, poppa daddy to five kids he never provided for, a violent criminal. He's better off dead, killed by his own choices.

by Anonymousreply 31December 14, 2023 2:34 AM

BTW, he clearly could breath. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be able to talk. The piece of shit also said his mother just died, looking to get out of another fuck up in his life. His mother had died two years before.

by Anonymousreply 32December 14, 2023 2:36 AM

GOP propaganda

The murder was caught on camera. We saw what happened

by Anonymousreply 33December 14, 2023 2:37 AM

R33, watch the documentary and the multiple body cams of the officers. Also, Chauvin was not the first officer on the seen and he was not the arresting officer, a black officer was both.

It never fails to surprise me how to so many people the truth and morality do not matter in the slightest, only ideology.

by Anonymousreply 34December 14, 2023 2:41 AM

Stop lying R31. The whole world saw the video and everybody clearly saw Chauvin with his knee crushing Floyd's neck which is what killed him according to reputable medical experts.

Chauvin was then charged, tried in a court of law and was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Here's a fucking image for you.

So just stop with the lying.

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by Anonymousreply 35December 14, 2023 2:41 AM

More for lying R31. From the NYT.

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by Anonymousreply 36December 14, 2023 2:45 AM

Economist Glenn Lowry and linguist (and NYT columnist) John McWhorter watched the documentary and discussed it at length on Glenn's show this week.

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by Anonymousreply 38December 14, 2023 3:14 AM

[quote] I think it's safe to assume that if I kneeled on your neck …

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 39December 14, 2023 3:39 AM

It's not just KKK or white supremacists who believe this video. It's easy to dismiss things as right wing fringe. But what happens when it catches on and more people believe it?

by Anonymousreply 40December 14, 2023 3:50 AM

[quote] [R25] — The video was false, misleading optics as to the cause. The video was an illusion — something that is not what it appears to be.

Aaagh!!! Believe my eyes or the completely implausible statements of anti-black white supremacists?! So hard to choose...

by Anonymousreply 41December 14, 2023 5:37 AM

[quote] They didn’t care about the possibility that the cause of death was being wrongfully attributed to the knee on the neck, they needed to convict Derek Chauvin to satisfy the masses who had already made up their minds from what they saw.

What we saw was sickening, horrifying and depraved. A white police officer with his hands in his pockets blithely kneeling on the neck of a black man who was clearly suffering. The world had a visceral reaction to that image. Derek Chauvin should be executed just for putting that image in the public realm. His action has grievously wounded our collective psyche. His crime negatively impacted so many he is beyond moral redemption.

by Anonymousreply 42December 14, 2023 5:44 AM

[quote] [R12], you don't know what you're talking about. I guess you enjoy being a fool instead of learning the truth. Chauvin did not have his knee on GF's neck, it was on his shoulder. GF did not die of asphyxiation, there was no trauma to his upper respiratory tract. GF was resisting arrest for quite awhile. EMS was called practically immediately, mainly because his behavior was so erratic. GF, by any measure was a useless piece of shit, a drug abuser, poppa daddy to five kids he never provided for, a violent criminal. He's better off dead, killed by his own choices.

My wish for you is that you receive your karma BEFORE Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 43December 14, 2023 5:49 AM

Brought to you by the same liars who said Matthew Shepard was a meth dealer.

by Anonymousreply 44December 14, 2023 5:52 AM

[quote] It's not just KKK or white supremacists who believe this video. It's easy to dismiss things as right wing fringe. But what happens when it catches on and more people believe it?

It won't "catch on." One of the tenets of America is that Black men are inherently criminal. The only people who believe this propaganda are the ones who always felt that Chauvin's actions were justified because constitutionally that do not believe a white police officer should be held accountable for killing a Black man. So you throw them a bone -- no matter how ridiculous, incredulous or implausible -- and they will gladly pick it up and run with it. So it has a built-in audience of people who will distrust their eyes and instincts in favor of their personal bias and beliefs.

The great majority of rational people with some understanding of human nature, even its more unfortunate aspects, understood exactly what they were witnessing when they viewed the video. The jury understood exactly what they'd witnessed. There was no other explanation for what happened, it was murder.

by Anonymousreply 45December 14, 2023 6:02 AM

George Floyd could still breathe.

George Floyd had Fentanyl in his system.

George Floyd was less than a perfect person.

The video was from only one angle.

Exculpatory evidence for Derek Chauvin wasn't allowed in court.

Derek Chauvin knelt only on a shoulder.

I'm waiting for the "Chauvin's knee was more injured than Floyd" post.

For the "The video cuts off before showing Chauvin performing mouth to mouth resuscitation on Floyd" crowd.

For the "bribed jurors" slanderers.

For the "The most crime is Black on Black. Where is the outrage?!" Klan.

by Anonymousreply 47December 14, 2023 6:27 AM

You don't "accidentally" kill someone you know.

by Anonymousreply 48December 14, 2023 6:41 AM

R22 Hold UP. Let me get this straight... you are saying that it states in police training manuals that you should KNEEL on a suspect's NECK when arresting them?

You're implying that it's STANDARD PROCEDURE. Is that what I'm reading?

by Anonymousreply 49December 14, 2023 11:17 AM

Just watched this based on OP's post. It is highly biased but does show that nothing is cut and dry and we are all being manipulated by the fucking media.

by Anonymousreply 50December 16, 2023 8:56 PM

Incluing the makers of this documentary. Check it out.

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by Anonymousreply 51December 16, 2023 9:15 PM

R51, so? The documentary makers never tried to hide who they are and how they might be biased. The first item of a Google search of Liz Collin the producer states that she married to the former police union chief. Everyone has their bias, what is important is if they try to hide it behind a faux facade of honest journalism. NYTs, I'm looking at you.

by Anonymousreply 52December 16, 2023 10:38 PM

Alpha News is extremely right-wing. The headlines there read as if they were written by Stormfront or members of Free Republic.

Taking this documentary as a source of truth is like accepting Dinesh D'Souza as a credible documentarian. Epic fail thread.

by Anonymousreply 53December 16, 2023 10:50 PM

Look at the evidence provided and decide.

by Anonymousreply 55December 17, 2023 2:06 AM

Sobering footage of the fires and riots, OP.

by Anonymousreply 56December 17, 2023 3:29 AM

Some people don’t like to admit that they were taken for ride, much like the MAGA cult.

by Anonymousreply 57December 17, 2023 4:04 AM

R33, no, the mainstream media narrative of George Floyd’s death is left wing propsganda.

In this case, the GOP has the CORRECT version.

by Anonymousreply 58December 19, 2023 3:40 AM

R36, Dr. Tobin loses credibility when he says fentanyl had nothing to do with George Floyd’s inability to breathe. The police body can clearly shows that George Floyd complained of not being able to breathe before even being on the ground.

by Anonymousreply 60December 19, 2023 3:45 AM

R41, show me the evidence that Derek Chauvin was motivated by racism.

by Anonymousreply 62December 19, 2023 3:47 AM

R44, was Mathew Shepard a meth dealer? I don’t know much about his case, but considering the epidemic of meth among young gay men, it wouldn’t surprise me if that is true.

by Anonymousreply 63December 19, 2023 3:48 AM

R49, yes, and George Floyd’s fellow cops show the training manual and the pictures in the documentary.

And as I said, I have a (white) client I’m bringing a Section 1983 action against cops who arrested him. He says that the cop had the knee on his neck. I asked if he could still breathe, he says that he could.

The section 1983 action has more to do with the cops hiding exculpatory evidence. But honestly, I have no idea if I have a 1983 claim for excessive force, even if the cop did have the knee on his neck. I’ll have to see what my use of force expert has to say.

by Anonymousreply 64December 19, 2023 3:55 AM

It's not true R63. He was not from the area and didn't have any connections there, which is the sine qua non for dealing.

by Anonymousreply 65December 19, 2023 7:05 AM

[quote] It was an election year, the media was desperate to get rid of Trump, they needed something to start a riot, and they used Derek Chauvin as a patsy.

The entire business exacerbated by Russian intelligence, as noted by the Department of Justice only after Trump is gone.

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by Anonymousreply 66December 19, 2023 7:25 AM

Fuck off with that Putin boogeyman bullshit

by Anonymousreply 67December 19, 2023 12:52 PM

Another alt right work of fiction… 🙄🙄🙄😡😡😡

Do you people ever stop?

by Anonymousreply 68December 19, 2023 3:26 PM

Interesting conversation that Glenn Loury and John McWhorter have with the filmmakers.

They point out specifically how what Derek Chauvin did is in the Minnesota code, how the cops were promoted after their testimony, etc.

They also point out that Martin Tobin never examined George Floyd’s body and that his testimony doesn’t address how George Floyd complained that he couldn’t breathe even when he wasn’t being touched by the cops.

However, one hypothesis is that George Floyd may have been trying to “cry wolf” by imitating Eric Garner, who was famous for saying, “I can’t breathe” before being killed by cops.

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by Anonymousreply 69December 20, 2023 5:50 AM

Thanks r69. I hope they unlock that whole episode. I'm a subscriber but not a paid one

by Anonymousreply 70December 20, 2023 5:57 AM

Chauvin is where he belongs. No, I take it back…

He belongs in a pine box. And others like him.

by Anonymousreply 71December 21, 2023 1:02 AM

How could he NOT have died, with all that fentanyl in him, plus what he was swallowing while he was still in the drivers seat? Was that introduced in evidence? But I didn’t see the trial, so.

by Anonymousreply 72December 21, 2023 1:51 AM

That was the crazy part, Floyd eating all those drugs after he was pulled over & before his arrest. And doing the same thing prior to an earlier arrest

by Anonymousreply 73December 21, 2023 2:00 AM

I just watched this and it's pretty compelling.

Those who dismiss it as far right propaganda need to watch it. It may have been made by a right wing source, but the body cam and autopsy evidence is firmly conclusive.

More and more I am questioning the objectivity of leftist media sources and this is a stellar example of why.

by Anonymousreply 74December 21, 2023 4:36 AM

[quote] More and more I am questioning the objectivity of leftist media sources

What took you so long? Video of the thug swallowing his stash and his comment before being placed on the ground was available almost from the beginning. This was as much a show trial as anything Stalin did in the 30s

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by Anonymousreply 75December 21, 2023 4:54 AM

They do deliberately mislead us. But not from the left. From the right.

by Anonymousreply 76December 21, 2023 3:11 PM

Why wasn't this so called evidence allowed at the trial?

by Anonymousreply 78December 21, 2023 4:59 PM

^ Fear of even worse riots.

by Anonymousreply 79December 21, 2023 5:23 PM

Here is Glenn Loury’s full interview with the filmmakers.

There’s another side.

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by Anonymousreply 80December 23, 2023 12:17 AM

Here's the full unedited version of the Glenn Loury video that r80 posted.

As Glenn explains at the beginning of r80's video, he made edits in order to be allowed by YouTube to post it without age limit restrictions.

At the link below, from Glenn's Substack, is the full "unrestricted" version

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by Anonymousreply 81December 23, 2023 12:31 PM

If they get rid of her it has to be completely. She can't be an academic authority figure - professor or dean. That ship has sailed.

by Anonymousreply 82December 23, 2023 3:15 PM

R82, this ain’t the Claudine Gay thread.

by Anonymousreply 83December 23, 2023 5:37 PM

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